For the Season 2 finale, Matt sits down with Douglas Batchelor of What Magic Is This? for a wide-ranging conversation about the strange territory where magic, folklore, and lived experience meet.

Together they explore Joshua Cutchin’s Ecology of Souls and Fourth Wall Phantoms, fairy traditions, ancestors, saints, the dead, spirit ecology, magical practice, imagination, storytelling, and why place matters more than most occult systems admit.

Douglas reflects on how moving onto unceded land transformed his magical work, why children may inhabit reality differently than adults, and how becoming a father has changed his understanding of ritual and enchantment.

You can find Douglas’s work at What Magic is This.

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Stay tuned for Season 3 and reach out in the meantime if you’d like to come on the show (mattstansberry@gmail.com).

Episode art by Sarah Rose.